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posted by [identity profile] dreadfulrauw.livejournal.com at 07:28pm on 27/04/2008
wow, your argument is really making me reconsider my own storytelling practices -- i have very little interest in bandom and its tropes, so i ended up making gabe sort of an ass just because i hated midtown back in the day, but i wonder if on some level, i wasn't acting on those stereotypes.

also, watch who you call misogynist -- them's fightin' words to some people. i expect the cavalry of wentz-fenders might ride in pretty soon. ;)
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posted by [identity profile] belladonnalin.livejournal.com at 07:35pm on 27/04/2008
Hey, I love me some Pete Wentz and find Fever heartbreakingly catchy, but ... woman-hate is still woman-hate, you know? Which isn't to say that Gabe hasn't said some shit that makes me cringe, but I have to say that I really think that it has to do with him being a man of color (particularly a Latino man, as opposed to the racial implications that have to do with being Hawai'ian) in terms of how people have that frame him out.

It's not conscious, or rarely is, anyway. But I do think it's an easy-ass trap to fall into, you know?

I'd agree that a lot of bandom's race issues fall into the "ignoring race" and occasionally "fetishizing race", but I definitely see some unconscious mirroring of racial stereotypes, too.
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