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I wish it would, but I don't think it will.
fans of color are really not all sitting around, waiting for them to screw up so they can accuse them of being evil racists
True, but people are always jumpy on the issue of race. And I have heard/seen comments made by an offended person that can be very discouraging. People may not be "waiting" to attack a fic with all the examples of improperly used racial references, but when such things happen, they are often pointed out in a manner that reflects the hurt of the offended, and are communicated in such a way that it becomes discouraging for an author to ever want to try the whole racial aspect again.
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So if someone is racist in their portrayal of a character in a fic, it's the fault of the person who is offended by the racist portrayal? Did you seriously say that? Is that honestly the point you're making? That it's not the writer's responsibility to write a non-racist fic, but it's the fault of the person who's offended to not remark on it?
People aren't jumpy on the issue of race. Some people refuse to believe that there is an issue when it comes to race. Maybe people should be more concerned with the person that was hurt and offended by the racist portrayal then by the feelings of the person who actually created the racist piece that hurt and offended. Maybe the fact that we censor those who try to point these things out is the problem. Maybe the fact that I comment on one out of every thirty or so racist things that I see and hear because I don't want to have this same damn discussion over and over and over again, and find that this is true for nearly EVERYONE I KNOW shows that there is a big damn problem.
And, you know, it doesn't help anybody, people of color or not, to tell them, BY SAYING NOTHING, that it's OK to create works that express racist sentiments. Nor, quite frankly, do I think it's OK to blame the person who's offended.
(no subject)
No, no, of course not. Look, I'll make my point one more time. It is my opinion that the lack of bandom fis centered around COC is not a result of racist authors and writers. That's all I've been trying to day. So, imo, saying there is a "race issue" meaning authors and writers have "problems" with people of a certain race and don't wish to write or read about them... Well, I don't think that's true. Saying there's a "race issue" because people are afraid to write about POC and then get it wrong... Yes, that's a problem. I already admitted that this shouldn't be the case, but it is.
And then, people want to get overly offended if someone simply gets something wrong racially in a fic they wrote. I mean, come on, obviously if someone wrote a hugely racist fic, then yeah, people should get upset and cause tension. But if it's something little, like using "cliche" lingo or stereotypical themes concerning a race that members of the race don't like... Well, that's not grounds, imo, for people to get really upset.
And the reason why I feel this way is because I've dealt with too much shit in RL with people who got offended about something racial and then made a huge deal about it when there really, truly was nothing to get mad about in the first place.
Some people refuse to believe that there is an issue when it comes to race
Okay, I know that. But that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING has an underlying racial issue. Not enough GCH fics? GASP, IT'S RACISM! Really. I know that obviously some people disagree, but I won't be swayed on this point. I have already admitted tht yeah, obviously there are some who are racist in bandom, but that doesn't account for the lack of GCH fic as a whole. People who are interested in bandom just don't have a thing for those guys in slashy/fic situations, what can we say? It's just a matter of taste. That's how I see it.
And that's not me being ingorant of race and refusing to accept that this world has racial issues.
(no subject)
I'm not a person of colour; I'm among the whitest girls you'll ever have seen, and I live in a country with an overwhelmingly Caucasian population. If I see something and speak up, it's not because I'm "oversensitive" or "angry" or any other word that gets thrown at PoC in such debates: I speak up because it's so blatant that even I spot suspicious phrases with ease, without even trying.
1. The fact that you don't think there is any race problem in Bandom does not, alas, prevent that from being the case. I assume you're a girl, which does make it likely you can immediately recognise sexism (mostly because it's really hard not to notice that hand on your boobs, or hear that joke about stupid sluts). But you're not a PoC; you have little experience in understanding structural racism, which is embedded in everything -- out in the world, in here: in fandom.
2. "But if it's something little, like using "cliche" lingo or stereotypical themes concerning a race that members of the race don't like... Well, that's not grounds, imo, for people to get really upset."
a) Are you sure you're not pointing at a highly theoretical reaction that hasn't actually happened? Have you really seen more than one lone piece of fiction being criticised because of this, and this alone? Your vague wording, at least, hints at you drawing attention away from the actual issue.
b) There is no way to make this not sound harsh, apologies in advance: You have no right to decide what may or may not, what can or cannot upset other people. Not the same thing, but how would you like to see your justified anger and hurt dismissed after said hand on your boobs, said stupid slut joke one male colleague told the rest of a bunch of colleagues, all of them looking at you pointedly and grinning?
(no subject)
so, unless the writer is dressing william up in klan gear and having him organise the neighbourhood lynching, it's all cool?
(no subject)
They don't. (http://witchqueen.livejournal.com/429727.html?format=light)
And they will continue not to until and unless we can communicate how to properly react which is (1) Write about CoC as best you can, doing as much research as seems necessary to get it right and (2) Expect that you will sometimes fuck it up and (3) When you do fuck up, say I'm sorry, amend the work, and figure out what you did wrong.
Throwing up our hands and saying white people are too stupid or too intrinsically racist to learn better leaves everybody worse off.